Ah, one of my pet peeves in this town. One among many....I'm old and disagreeable.

These drainage ditches are ill concieved, poorly designed and generally look like their made by third graders. There is one on Cuthbert near my house that is constructed just like a tank trap!

...old and disagreeable.

Doesn't make you wrong, though.

Apparently while creating every single dip around town the city thought they could just dig a ditch and pave through it. The city just got lucky with Andrews Hwy and Golf Course Road, that is the only dip engineered to be smooth. Let's get some brains at TX DOT who know about correct angles and distances and all that good stuff.

This was an ill-conceived idea from the get-go. The ditches weren't deep enough to alleviate any flooding, and streets aren't meant for that sort of thing anyway. So we got all the inconvenience without any of the benefit.

On top of that, I give the new patch jobs about three months of Midland summer heat before they start to deteriorate and require continuous maintenance. I base this opinion on the lack of longevity of the street patches made by city utility crews.

...old and disagreeable.

You were supposed to disagree with me on this! Ah well, the truth is out.

You are correct about the city patch jobs too. They "repair" a hole on the corner of "D" St. and Bedford once a year. Within 6 months it's a tire buster again. Thanks in no small part to the good folks on the corner of Country Club and "D" who drain their entire sprinkler system into the street every single day. But that's another story and source of disagreeableness.

By the way, one of the folks at Jessica's Well thinks that people who complained about the drainage ditches are "whiners". Makes me a disagreeable whiner I suppose.

By the way, one of the folks at Jessica's Well thinks that people who complained about the drainage ditches are "whiners".

Yeah, well, he also apparently can't tell the difference between "911" and "211"; assess his credibility accordingly.

"people who complained about the drainage ditches are "whiners".

I had to chuckle at the thought of this individual actually calling someone else a whiner. The pot calling the kettle black syndrome.

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Eric, from your comment on the topmost right, "Observation ...... emanating from the flatlands of West Texas," maybe you can explain the "Midland Mentality" - which is quite a mystery to me.

How come Midlanders, both government and population - all want dips to exist on Andrews Highway when there is NOT ONLY ONE but VARIOUS WAYS TO HAVE A FLAT ROAD WITHOUT DIPS ? ? ? ? ?

How come Midlanders, both government and population - all want dips to exist on Andrews Highway...

I don't know who you've been hanging out with, but I don't know anyone who wants "dips to exist on Andrews Highway."

As you point out, there are alternatives for providing roadway drainage that don't involve the installation of arroyos in the street. But those generally involve bigger investments and long-term master planning, and we seem to be adverse to such things at this point.

As far as explaining the "Midland Mentality," well, I'm afraid you're on your own there. I've been here more than two decades and I'm still trying to understand it all. ;-)

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ERIC:
You mean putting a 1 foot diameter plastic or galvanized pipe/culvert 4 feet beneath a NARROW ASPHALT SECTION across Andrews is such a huge investment compared to those concrete dips????? Long term planning ????

No, that's the easy part, my friend. But...where does the water go from there? That's the hard part. Simply diverting the water so that it floods another street and neighborhood is, imho, a short term solution.

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Very informative. Very interesting to see how the minds of Midlanders work.

The dips constructed there only convey water from one side of the street to the other side of the street - while UNNECESSARILY FLOODING THE STREET AND UNNECESSARILY PRODUCING A BUMPY RIDE, THAT HAMMERS THE ROAD AND DESTROYS THE ASPHALT.

If there are solutions that produce the same positive results - THAT IS THE CONVEYNG OF WATER FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, - -- BUT ELIMINATES THE FLOODING AND THE BUMPINESS-- THAT IN ITSELF IS PROOF OF A SUPERIOR SOLUTION WHICH THE CITY OF TXDOT SHOULD USE, - provided it does not cost too much. Take into consideration, however, that this is a MAJOR ROAD.

Your wanting an additional result, that is "A DRAINAGE PIPE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER" is OUT OF TOPIC !!!!!!! As they say, you are comparing apples and oranges instead of apples and apples.

But even then, if some drainage pipe to the river or some holding pond for irrigation exists somewhere near those dips, the output of said culvert or pipe under Andrews can be connected to said drainage pipe right now.

If you don't have such drainage pipe today, but might do so in the future, said culvert or pipe under Andrews can be connected to said drainage pipe when that future time comes. BUT THE PEOPLE OF MIDLAND DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR THOSE DRAINAGE PIPES TO THE RIVERS OR HOLDING PONDS. RIGHT NOW, THOSE CULVERTS CAN BE PUT UNDER ANDREWS HIGHWAYS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS. THEY DON'T EVEN NEED TO BE UNDER THOSE PRESENTLY EXISTING DIPS BECAUSE ON THE SIDEWALK SECTIONS INLETS AND OUTLETS CAN BE SOMEWHERE ELSE, AS IN THE VALLEYS, THEN CONVEYED TO THE CULVERTS WHICH MAY EVEN BE UNDER THE HILLS. IF LARGE DIAMETER STEEL PIPES ARE AVAILABLE, CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE OIL DRILLING CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, SO MUCH THE BETTER SINCE THEY DONT HAVE TO BE BURIED TOO DEEP. IF ONLY DIAMETERS OF LESS THAN 1 FOOT ARE AVAILABLE, THEN SEVERAL IN PARALLEL WILL ENABLE US TO GET THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF INNER CROSS SECTIONAL AREA.