Becker-Posner on Preventive War

Update: Crooked Timber thinks this is an elaborate hoax, and presents an equally elaborate argument.

Note: If you're coming here via the trackback links on the Becker-Posner posts, I assume you're wondering what kind of idiot could misspell "Becker." In my own defense, let me just say...look! Is that Elvis?!

Gary Becker and Richard Posner are combining forces to create a new blog (creatively titled "The Becker-Posner Blog") that will be A-list before you can swing a dead cat in a circle.

Becker is a Nobel prize-winning economist and Posner is a federal circuit judge and author. They will be posting once a week, each Monday, for starters, although their first posts are already up. If today's post is any indication, they'll pick a topic and then blog about it from their separate perspectives.

This week's post is about pre-emptive or preventive war. Posner provides a sample set of assumptions with which one can walk through a computation of whether such a war can be cost-justified. Becker, on the other hand, provides a more qualitative analysis of the pros and cons of such action. Am I the only one who finds it odd that the lawyer is doing economic analysis and the economist isn't?

Both posts are well-written, short and to the point. We would expect no less. But the really interesting part is the law students sucking up to Posner via comments. Wonder how long it will take for the judge to grow weary of that?

Comments

"...if you know with certainty that you are about to be attacked, you are justified in trying to get in the first blow. Indeed, the essence of self-defense is striking the first blow against your assailant."

It's entertaining to see an Illinois judge advance this line of reasoning from a presumably "legal" background.

"Threats alone will not justify the use of deadly force in a killing." (Ill. Rev. Stat. 1985, ch. 38, par. 7 -- 1)

"Well your Honor, my client knew he was going to get attacked so he shot Mr. Smith first. It's been established that Mr. Smith said he was going to attack my client, but never tried to do so in any way. So my client, knowing what Mr. Smith said previously and taking him at his word, walked up to Mr. Smith and shot him in self defense."

Good luck.

The sucking up is kind of funny, though. I'm seriously tempted to join in.

Dearest Judge Posner,
I'm a 2L as well (at Harvard) and have had a deep admiration for your judicial opinions, your non-judicial opinions, your chic fashion sense, and your incredibly alluring visage, which it seems, currently graces a photo on my nightstand.

Respectfully,
Arthur Freen

Posted by: Mr. Freen at December 6, 2004 02:07 AM

Thanks for not pointing out that I misspelled Becker's name in the post title (it's now corrected). There went any chance I had of making their blogroll!

I suspect you're on shaky ground any time you try to apply US state law to international relationships. One might think there should be some consistency...but that would be too easy.

I dare you to leave your comment on Posner's post! ;-)

Posted by: Eric at December 6, 2004 10:27 AM

As you've pointed out, nations hold themselves to very different standards than the ones to which they hold their citizens. Even within the US, law enforcement officers are allowed to use a higher level of force than civilians in defending themselves. If the US considers itself a self-appointed "global peace keeper" that changes circumstances somewhat. Judge Posner, however, made no such distinctions or qualifications.

From a civilian perspective, Judge Posner's "self defense is striking the first blow" justification wouldn't stand up in court, almost certainly not even in his court in Illinois.

It will be interesting to see if Judge Posner's words ever come back to haunt him. Some clever attorney or defendent might quote Judge Posner's argument back at him during a murder trial.

Interestingly, there is evidence that Iraqi intelligence agents were responsible for the first World Trade Center bombing on February 26, 1993. If true, the US invasion would no longer be an issue of "pre-emptive" defense to a possible threat, but a legitimate response to a previous attack from an enemy nation.

Sadly, the Judge hasn't responded to far more incisive criticisms of his argument. In fact, he hasn't responded to any of the comments left on his blog. It's unlikely he'd respond to mine. I'm tempted to leave it just for the heck of it, though.

Posted by: Mr. Freen at December 6, 2004 05:21 PM

Would you give me a free pass on something like that? I think not. Sic 'em...

Welcome to the blogosphere, Judge!

Posted by: Eric at December 6, 2004 05:53 PM

Seems somebody already beat me to it. Feller by the name of "Farid" already called him on just this point. Somebody else mentioned the Iraqi '93 WTC bombing connection as well.


Posted by: Mr. Freen at December 6, 2004 09:16 PM
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