Turning Down Work
I've spoken with enough prospective clients calling to ask about a website that I can tell from the beginning whether a project is something I'll be interested in. Thus it was that my antenna was quivering early in yesterday afternoon's phone conversation as the man on the other end of the line rattled off a litany of things he wanted in his new website.
I want to be able to sell stuff via the site. I want to have my site pop up in a separate window whenever somebody looks for what I'm selling. I want to have everything on my site link to eBay so it's always available there. I'm just starting out so I want everything to be as inexpensive as possible...
OK...well, let's talk about some of these things. Do you have a merchant account?
No.
OK. No problem. You might consider using PayPal to handle your transactions. Are you familiar with PayPal?
Uh, no. I don't know anything about computers.
Well, that's what I'm here for. Now, what are you selling.
Oh, knives. Jewelry. Jewels, like diamonds and stuff.
So, do you need a database backend to manage your inventory?
What's that?
Well, it allows you to update your website's store without actually having to get into the website itself. But if you don't have a large inventory, it's probably more expensive and complicated than you need at this point.
Yeah, well, we just want to be able to update the website ourselves.
So...you know HTML?
No, but my partner knows all about websites. She says she can build the website but I don't trust her.
Ooooo-kay. Now, I really don't know what you mean when you say you want your products to automatically appear on eBay. I don't have any experience in that area, but it seems to me that that's something you'll need to handle via your eBay account, and not really something that requires a special set up on your website. But, again, I don't know that for sure.
I don't know anything about computers.
All right. Uh...let's talk about this pop-up thing you mentioned. What do you have in mind there?
Well, you know when you visit a site and, like, 500 windows pop up and you have to click through each one of them to get back to where you're going? I want my site to be that annoying pop up generator.
[Note: "Annoying" is the exact term he used.]
So...
Yeah, so that whenever somebody goes looking for something I'm selling, when they visit another site, I want mine to start popping up...
You know...uh...I'm not your guy. I'm not interested in working on something like that...
[I didn't bother explaining to him that what he was requesting was quite impossible. The very idea that he wanted to do it in the first place was sufficient reason for me to write off the project.]
Oh? Well, where could I find someone who will do that for me?
[That's right...I'm here to help you find my competion. It's what I live for...pleasing the customer until the bitter end.]
I suggest that you look in the Yellow Pages. Good luck. [click]
Calls like this are the reason that while I pay for a small Yellow Pages ad, I do so grudgingly, as I've rarely gotten a worthwhile project via a cold call. Over 90% of my business comes from referrals, and that's the way I like it.
Anyway, I'd love to listen in on this guy's conversation with other web designers.
Note: I don't make it a habit to publish conversations with clients, prospective or otherwise. But every now and then something so outrageous occurs that it must be documented -- as a cautionary tale, if for no other reason.
Beth, for enough money, I'll do that for you. However, it requires Special Web Cloaking Coding so that you -- as website owner -- will not actually be able to see it in action, but trust me when I tell you that *everyone else* will see it work just as you want it to. ;-)
Posted by: Eric at August 8, 2006 09:55 AMI think I might have reported this guy to the police. Sounds like he's hawking stolen property to me. ;-) And I agree with you on the yellow pages. My husband dropped his ad a couple years ago and never looked back.
Posted by: Gwynne at August 8, 2006 10:26 AMYou know, you're the third vendor to mention that special web cloaking when I mentioned that I know nothing about computers...
Posted by: beth at August 8, 2006 10:55 AMGwynne, the situation is complicated for businesses because -- out here, anyway -- there are at least three different "yellow books," each of which charging ridiculous amounts for their ad space. Still, I think there's a place for such ads, especially in a still-little-understood area like web design. A lot of people just don't even know where to start if they want a website.
Beth, I'm sure that's true, but accept no substitutes...ask if they're offering the patented Super Secret Invisi-Shield Web Cloaking. If they're not, it's just a scam. Or a government program.
Posted by: Eric at August 8, 2006 11:15 AMWhen your page starts popping up all the time Beth, I'll know why. And who.
Posted by: Jim at August 8, 2006 03:15 PMWith enough persuasion, I could be talked into selling an eBay store... then he'd have all he wanted and more and he'd call you (like we do!) to fix our messes!!
Posted by: Janie at August 8, 2006 11:33 PMHe wants to sell knives and diamonds via pop-up spam. That's a combination that screams: "RUN! Run like the wind!"
Posted by: Denise at August 8, 2006 11:54 PMoh gosh, he does sound incredibly dodgy!!!
Posted by: Rachel at August 9, 2006 12:31 AMI feel your pain man, theres this crazy yehu at work that sounds almost exactly like this guy. I have found that by just ignoring his "good" ideas and focus on his simple and more reasonable ideas I can keep him satisfied and happy. Ah, the life of a web developer is a sad and lonesome road.
Sincerely with Humor
-Mac Tyler
Hahahahahahahaha (manical laughter continues...)
I know this moment. I have no qualms about blogging this moment. I do it all the time.
You could either:
a) tell him you'll set up one of those complicated PayPal accounts for a mere $400
or
b) just hang up the phone.
Good choice.
Posted by: Julie at August 9, 2006 07:48 PMI mean, why tell a guy who knows computers and charges you for computer-related services that you know nothing about computers? Why not just sign over the trust fund now?!
Good thing you're honest.
...hahahahahah (manical laughter ends.)
Posted by: Julie at August 9, 2006 07:49 PMEric...I told MLH about this posting, as well as our awesome secret weapon web guru, and asked them both to read it...MLH has not had time, so, tonight, I read it to him...and of course, I had to read the comments. I can hardly catch my breath from laughing. MLH, on the other hand, was laughing right along with me...that is, until I read the comment from Mr. Tyler, who happens to be one and the same as our awesome secret weapon web guru.
Pardon me while I snort.
MLH wants me to convey to you that he's not sure that he is a beneficiary of the inspiration engendered by your blog, Eric.
PS - Mr. Tyler, MLH wants to know - are you doing this on his time, or your time?
(***Janie....still laughing all the while transcribing!***)
Posted by: Janie at August 11, 2006 08:14 PMOh, that is funny! ;-)
Posted by: Eric at August 11, 2006 11:05 PM
Gee - and I was hoping you could help me build a website that would automatically load as the home page of everyone east of the Mississippi whose first name begins with J...I guess you're saying you either can't or won't do that? *sigh*
:)
Gotta love the yellow pages - I'm nearly convinced that only freaks actually use them anymore.
Posted by: beth at August 8, 2006 09:49 AM