The Definitive 200

I'm sure you soon won't be able to swing a dead cat without hitting a blog post devoted to the "Definitive 200" list of "must-have" albums just released by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the National Association of Music Retailers. Watch for an endless variety of memes whereby bloggers bold the albums they have, italicize those they really liked, and highlight in red those they would have bought had they not spent all their money on drugs and/or leisure suits.

Here at the Gazette, however, we're all about statistics, and we've performed as exhaustive an analysis of this list as permitted by a 3rd grade level of expertise with in Excel. Here are a few of the results of this scrutiny.

Artists with three or more albums on the list:

  • 5 - Beatles, Led Zeppelin
  • 4 - Metallica, Rolling Stones
  • 3 - Bod Dylan, Dixie Chicks (!), Jay-Z, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, Prince, U2

# of Soundtracks on the list: 8

Time span of list: 1954 - 2004

# of albums by decade:

  • 50s - 4
  • 60s - 17
  • 70s - 58
  • 80s - 40
  • 90s - 56
  • 00s - 25

Years with no selections: 1955, 57, 60, 62, 63, 74 (!)

Years with only one selection (after 1965):

  • 1982 - Michael Jackson - Thriller
  • 1990 - LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out

Most obvious omissions and travesties

  • Nothing by Chicago or Blood, Sweat & Tears
  • Albums by Faith Hill and Shania Twain, but none from Merle Haggard or George Strait
  • Soundtrack from Forrest Gump but not Woodstock
  • Three albums by the Dixie Chicks

Don't trust our analyses, or want to roll your own? Download the list in a well-formatted Excel spreadsheet and knock yourself out.

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I am glad the 70s were so well represented. For some reason, we have been listening a lot to the "Classic Rock" tv/radio station (913 Cox) on "The TV". They list a lot of trivia and (maybe I have too much time on my hands) I started noticing how many of the classic rockers were born in the late 40's. I guess it fits because they were young and impressionable in the 50's when Elvis and others were inventing it all. Then they came into their own in the late sixties and 70s... But then again, I am a bit sad with all the stuff from the 90s that made the list (said as I flash my AARP card...)

Posted by: Mark at March 7, 2007 10:50 AM

Just a quick glance at the list reaffirms what I already knew - I don't tend to like "popular" music. Of the 200 (and yes, this was just a quick gander not an exhaustive perusal) I think I own or have owned at one point maybe 40 of them.

Posted by: beth at March 7, 2007 11:47 AM

i'm excited for this post because it means people will be swinging dead cats. and any day that that happens is a good day.

i have to say that i think the list is pretty good and fairly accurate. i think u2's "the unforgettable fire" is a must though, and i'm equally unsettled by the appearance of 3 dixie chicks albums. to say they've made the same caliber of music as bob dylan! pshh.

also, the 90s+ music was a bit confusing. obviously, with so many more options to choose from in that period (as compared to the number of records released in the 60s), it must be more difficult, but there were some strange choices if you're considering "definitive albums of all time": namely, ANYTHING by Boyz II Men, or - for the love of everything holy - CREED?!? that's the only thing that made me actually mad. other than that, i agree with most of the list.

Posted by: kyle at March 7, 2007 11:59 AM

Bob Seger? Outkast? TITANIC SOUNDTRACK?!

Agggghhh!

This is proof that The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has jumped the shark, although that happened approximately one year before it opened.

At least The Beatles beat out Zep for #1, though any Beatles fan knows that Abbey Road is a (slightly) better album than Sgt. Pepper.

Posted by: Jim at March 7, 2007 12:24 PM

See, when you have a list of "must-have" albums that has "Faith Hill" listed, you can discount pretty much everything from that point forward, can't you?

I'm surprised to see no Band albums on there.

I'm clearly and hopelessly out of touch. Only 28 of the 200 have ever graced my collections.

Posted by: Bret at March 7, 2007 12:30 PM

Like Beth, I've only owned about 40 of these (38 to be exact). I was surprised to see Etta James but no Billie Holliday? Meatloaf but no Eric Clapton? Will Smith but no B.B. King?! Kenny G?!?! And I'm sorry, but nobody needs 4 Metallica albums! Oh, and for Jim and Beth's sake, where in the world is ABBA?! ;-)

Posted by: Gwynne at March 7, 2007 01:10 PM

ABBA is awesome but they aren't really rock n' roll. They are in a class by themselves(f).

Posted by: Jim at March 7, 2007 02:04 PM

And if you have movie soundtracks, why not greatest hits albums?

To reiterate a point, how can you not have Eric Clapton? About a year ago I bought the Cream of Clapton and it is one of my favorites.

I realize that greatest hits albums go against the grain of pure rockers, but they have the advantage of having more substance and less filler.

Posted by: soccer dad at March 7, 2007 02:51 PM

Well, for that matter, how can you omit "Disraeli Gears" by Clapton's original band, Cream?

While I agree with you about the substantive advantages of "best of" compilations, I don't agree that they should make a list like this (although your point comparing them to soundtracks is well-taken). If you're going to do that, you should just have a Definitive 200 Artists, not Albums.

Which, now that I think about it, might not be a bad idea. ;-)

Posted by: Eric at March 7, 2007 03:07 PM

Definitive artists is a great idea! Let's get to work on that one, since the Rock and Roll Hall of Lame isn't going to get around to it anytime soon.

Posted by: Jim at March 7, 2007 04:12 PM

I'm not doing a lick of work on this until you and Gwynne reach some sort of understanding about Abba. I'll not be reduced to tears again.

Posted by: Eric at March 7, 2007 04:17 PM

I have to admit I don't know the contents of every Cream album, but surely there should have been one of them. I don't think I ever paid enough attention to Eric Clapton before I got the album, but it's great. The Cream stuff too even if the lyrics are absolutely senseless.
I just realized that there's no CCR on the list either. (But AC/DC and GFR made it?)

Posted by: soccer dad at March 7, 2007 04:54 PM

Eric, fear not. Jim and I will have a little "come to Jesus" talk with Gwynne out back and the ABBA issue will be resolved. I think the original issue arose out of a mild case of temporary insanity on her part. :)

Posted by: beth at March 7, 2007 06:02 PM

Leaving CCR off the list is inexplicable. I'm also not sure why "Supernatural" made the list and not "Abraxas." The former is certainly an excellent LP (I have it, as do about a hundred million other people) but the latter was more interesting, overall.

I must confess to being a GFR fan, however, although I prefer "On Time" to "We're an American Band." Used to listen to it on 8-track. ;-)

Posted by: Eric at March 7, 2007 06:38 PM

Beth,

Temporary?

***

Eric,

And I forgot to mention that the spreadsheet was well-formatted, as promised. But no album art?

Posted by: Jim at March 7, 2007 07:56 PM

I'll mail you a pencil and a tablet of paper.

Posted by: Eric at March 7, 2007 07:59 PM

Uh, meaning, of course, that you can draw your own.

[That wasn't all that funny even in my head.]

Posted by: Eric at March 7, 2007 08:00 PM

Well... maybe Texas paper and pencil will miraculously turn me into someone who can draw.

Or maybe not.

Posted by: Jim at March 7, 2007 08:35 PM

I think the original issue arose out of a mild case of temporary insanity on her part.

Ahem! I heard that. Jim's right. Nothing temporary about it. ;-)

But Jim raises another point. ABBA is not rock 'n roll (it's barely even music ;-), but neither are many of the others on the list. 50 Cent? Celine Dion? Dave Brubeck? Andrea Bocelli? Just to name a few that I would not place in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame's jurisdiction...the results are, as everyone has pointed out, ridiculous.

Jim, Beth, I'll meet you out back. ;-)

Posted by: Gwynne at March 8, 2007 09:33 AM

There seems to be a common mis-perception that this list is a "Definitive" list of rock and roll music, but if you read the press release, it touts the diversity of the artists. The list is actually intended to be a collection of popular music over the years, although it just happens to commence with the advent of rock and roll. The R&RHOF's involvement does seem to muddy that issue, however, but obviously the association of music retailers isn't limited to R&R.

Of course, that brings up even more issues, like the absence of classical recordings, big band (who could live without Glen Miller?), gospel and CCM, so-called world music, and many other presumably niche categories that actually form the backbone of many serious listeners.

Oh, and may the best "man" win! (My money's on the tax accountant. They get mean in March, you know.) ;-)

Posted by: Eric at March 8, 2007 09:40 AM

I'll not be fighting. I'll just don my headphones and listen to Take A Chance On Me or something... until late April when all the accountants are worn out.

Posted by: Jim at March 9, 2007 07:12 PM
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